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Steely Dan
12th July 2002, 13:47
Ah Yes, a contentious issue for some techies and Radio anoraks. Does anyone ever find when you are listening to a radio station such as FM104, 98FM, Lite FM, Today FM, and 2FM that their whole output in terms of sound is far too clinical, perfectionist, rigid and lacks any sound creativity. In other words, when you're listening to their music, the least you will ever expect to happen in terms of technical error is a jumped CD or if your very lucky there might be a few seconds silence. Don't get me wrong, i think if a station is constantly experiencing problems of that magnitude, i guess their equipment and technology is seriously dodgy and unreliable to use, and they should look at the alternatives.

People in the industry say that all radio stations should try and avoid technical hitches as much as possible as it sounds terribly unprofessional for outfits like the mainstream stations to be making mistakes on a constant level. Naturally enough, human error is always going to happen, that's life i guess. I suppose it depends how you deal with such a spontanous technical hitch such as "Dead Air" or a CD jumping, or even the likes of Lite FM's ENCO Computer crashing unexpectingly without any prior warning.

Anyhow, i think stations could invest in using vinyl to some degree, i feel the listener can connect with the sound and the radio station alot better. For example you hear a little crackle of the vinyl playing on the Deck and you say to yourself ah yes, thats real old-fashioned radio. The radio of the Pirate radio days would be back with you again.

To be honest with you, i think the likes of having two simple sophisicated top of the range record decks in your studio, would seem to me to be less stressful than having a computer crashing or Cd jumping all the time. Of course, you have the problems of the needle sliding on the vinyl if your record is not cleaned. The same senario goes for the CD or your computer, they all need constant checking.

I do understand that radio stations want to make their lives and the lives of their presenters as hassle free as possible, by transferring all their music onto computer. No problem to an extent. And then as your back up you have a mini-disc or Cd Players.Your then into the very clinical sound, where you will never hear as much as even a scratch. I'm just a traditionalist when it comes to all this radio technology.

Been realistic radio stations would achieve a much better more natural mix as opposed to the Lite FM mix which doesn't sound the best. Even if radio stations introduced more vinyl on specialist shows, it would address the balance and reduce the very clinical sound of the radio station. Any thoughts?

Euan Roberts.

vinylpusher
12th July 2002, 13:52
I agree.
Unfortunately, cd's & minidiscs take up a lot less shelf space.

I remember reading a thesis once that proved that with the right equipment, the quality of sound from a vinyl source is actually better in terms of clarity than that from CD & MD.
The vinyl is dead?.....I think not. Long live the vinyl.

Anto Fagan
12th July 2002, 17:37
I've heard it crackling away regularly during the remix at 9, and both of Gibbs' shows...

Euan Roberts
12th July 2002, 18:23
Interesting that 104 use vinyl. Anto, thanks for that. I guess if a jock is doing alot of mixing, i reckon vinyl has to be operated upon. It makes sense. Nevetheless, i think other radio stations should start using it more. By the way Vinyl pusher good points about your thesis. Where can i get my hands on that?

Regards,

Euan

Jimbob
12th July 2002, 23:52
Euan why do you use so many aliases? i.e. : Steely Dan etc.
And please if its not to rude of me to ask. Do you have anything positive to say about ILR in Dublin.?
I notice now you are giving out about cds/mds/computers.
Last time it was Al Dunne and Barry using voice tracking. (Cant say i noticed, sounds live to me)
Then you were telling us all how awful all the presenters were on 98 and 104. Are there any good presenters on the ILRS?
You then mentioned you wanted more Steely Dan on radio. As much as personally like the "Dan" i thinks the majority of today’s listeners would not appreciate the trade off with Destiny’s Child.
Thanks Euan. Give me your thoughts?

Anorak
13th July 2002, 09:48
I remember reading a thesis once that proved that with the right equipment, the quality of sound from a vinyl source is actually better in terms of clarity than that from CD & MD.

Digital audio is basically sampling soundwaves, the higher the bitrate (i.e. the more it samples), the better quality it is.
Vinyl, using analogue, is 100% bitrate.
A simple explanation why it sounds better.
I'm sure the more technically-minded could do a better job than me!

Euan Roberts
13th July 2002, 18:53
Thanks Jim Bob, your right i have in the past been a bit of critical and annoying anorak to say the least, but i guess i see it's pointless been like that. The only reason why i ended up using this other alias was because my computer at home would'nt allow me to log into Euan Roberts at the time, so i was forced to make up a assumed name such as " Steely Dan" I later discovered that my cookies or temporary Internet files had not been cleared properly, so that's the reason.

Concerning my desire for more Steely Dan, Michael Franks, Dan Foglebourg and many others, i guess, stations could play more of it, if they bothered to market this music to a wider audience. Very little music and market research on this more specialist area of music has convienently been side-tracked by radio stations for their own hidden agendas. Stations have to make money, and that's fine, however, we all don't live in the chart world of Destiny's Child. Nevertheless, some of their music is good, but let's hear some different less commerical musis for a change Jim Bob, Minority taste does still count in the very commerial world of music.

Finally in relation to your assertion that i think all presenters on 104 and 98 Fm or terrible, i said some weren't particularly inspiring to listen too. However, there are a couple worth the listen for example, Barry Dunne, Liam Coburn, Colm Hayes, Jason Maine, Liam Quigley.

Good Luck

Euan Roberts

Billy Dane
13th July 2002, 19:15
I'm counting slowlt to ten...

Quoting Euan Roberts today...The only reason why i ended up using this other alias was because my computer at home would'nt allow me to log into Euan Roberts at the time, so i was forced to make up a assumed name such as " Steely Dan"

Quoting " Steely Dan" 10th June
www.radiowavesforum.com/rw/showthread.php?s=&postid=3396#post3396
Spunk before you get carried away, i guarantee you I'm not Brakeout, thank God or Euan Roberts. Secondly, i have never heard of these people as, i only heard about this website ten days ago. Being abroad and eveything like that. So please don't make assumptions about a certain individaul as myself

to make admin's life easier I won't say what's on my mind!

ex-pirate
13th July 2002, 23:39
On a lighter note, wasn't it fun if the presenter started a vinyl record at the wrong speed, Now that's an honest mistake a presenter can do or what about cueing the record wrong.

Been there , done that.

Now that's free radio!!!
:eek:

Mike O' Brien
14th July 2002, 00:56
one thing to say in this forum........

GOD BLESS CDS.

ex-pirate
15th July 2002, 02:42
Aah, you have not lived liamlawlor!!