what are the repercussions for this

[Airhead Coded]

Hi Gang,

I seen this happening at a gig recently, the DJ was selling his "set" on CD for €5 to punters during and after the night and had it advertised on the BIG screens in the clubs at different intervals to alert customers. I'm just wondering are there many DJs doing that these days and IF so, what are the legal consequences if you are caught doing this?? as far as I know this definitely Illegal..

thanks,

AH

[Ginger]

Hi Gang,

I seen this happening at a gig recently, the DJ was selling his "set" on CD for €5 to punters during and after the night and had it advertised on the BIG screens in the clubs at different intervals to alert customers. I'm just wondering are there many DJs doing that these days and IF so, what are the legal consequences if you are caught doing this?? as far as I know this definitely Illegal..

thanks,

AH

It's not illegal but expensive as you need two licences , one from ppi and one from mcps . You also need to log the music and times although I think that may have got easier . I looked into to it about ten years ago when I had a huge tourist Market in club m in it's day and it was working out at 7 euro a cd in cost but I'm sure that has come down quite alot . Might be worth looking into again. Maybe we get a little business going airhead :-)

Cheers Niall

[Airhead Coded]

Thanks for the reply ginger, well I aint knocking this idea I think it's a fantastic Idea, see it happening all the time when I'm on holidays in various locations around Europe - but you're dead right, we could a little business up, it's defo worth looking into it and seeing how much it would cost now, Good way to earn an extra few quid, if the cost to make one was €5 and you sold it for a €10 that still would be worthwhile and be a nice little earner at the end of the night..... what's the chances of getting caught If you don't have a licences... like will PPI do spot checks for this kind of thing, if it's affordable I'll defo apply for licence, being legit is always the best option, well I think so any way..

cheers Niall,

AH

[buzzbomb]

Well i still charge people for requests.

10 euro for just a voice request.

25 euro if it includes a song.

[djdeclan]

Well i still charge people for requests.

10 euro for just a voice request.

25 euro if it includes a song.

Brilliant, imagine the revenue you could generate from that.... you could play for free and make your money from the requests... The club owners would be delighted!


Actually it's probably only a matter of time before some dude tries this out for real...

[Caretaker]

Totally illegal ... but as we have seen very little chance of being caught .... as PPI etc are really out of their depth with the digital age...

Why not record a set and set up a site upload and charge thru paypal or similar for the mix download.... no cd rqd or file sharing music software ... again totally illegal ...

At some point guys selling cds will get caught or reported by someone .. is it worth it .. NO so not for me...

Mixing is no longer and art anyway since the introduction of BPM counters and mixing software .. would the demand be there ..?

[buzzbomb]

Brilliant, imagine the revenue you could generate from that.... you could play for free and make your money from the requests... The club owners would be delighted!


Actually it's probably only a matter of time before some dude tries this out for real...

Im also doing a midweek special , request 2 songs and we'll throw in a voice request at half price , if its a 21st request and you order it 3 months in advance then its cheaper , a bit ryanairish because we play the request at a venue miles away from where you are.

[DeargDoom]

a bit ryanairish because we play the request at a venue miles away from where you are.

you also won't be able to get any food or drink at the venue...

[Red Room]

you also won't be able to get any food or drink at the venue...

And the gig will be 100 miles away from the venue.

[Ginger]

you also won't be able to get any food or drink at the venue...

ill do a request and take your coat and bag in the box for a tenner. provided your bag is under 22kgs and less than 40 inchs tall ;-)

On a lighter not i remember one christmas a few years ago this guy came to me and said " will you play u2 " and dropped a tenner over the glass of the box . At the time " even better than the real thing " ( the remix) was still okay for playing , so popped it on for him as he was about 20 people and seemed to be the organiser of the christmas party. He was up buying rounds of drinks all night , possibly from a party fund .

Later on in the night and 5 bottles of bud later he said " play something else by u2" and he dropped 20 euro over the glass . This was getting embarrasing but it was copperface jacks so really anything goes and i played " streets have no name "

close to the end he arrived back up and i saw a note in his hand and it looked like a 50 and he shooved it in my hand and said "one more for the road man " i popped the note in my back pocket that the drunken fool gave me and played " sunday bloddy sunday " ( they loved that in coppers) .

The next morning i was telling the wife about this guy and i said he even gave a me a 50 and i reached into my back pocket and pulled it out and to my shock it wasnt a 50 euro note but a 500 euro note .

Here is the question , do i ring every punter that was there that night and say " you drunken fool you made a mistake" or get an extra big turkey for the ginger christmas dinner .

What do you think ????

Cheers

Niall

[Caretaker]

Maybe I'm the fool here... but I never take money (bribe) from people offering it to play a song ..

I'm getting paid to play at the gig and taking requests and playing them to me is part of the job..

I once found €200 on the floor behind the DJ table where the groom of the wedding had just handed me payment .. the only place it could have came from was his pocket when he took my payment out of his pocketand handed it to me..

fool me I know but was brought up that way....

[disc]

i know a dj who use to sell cds out of the djs box on a saturday night for a tenner , use to make a nice few pound.They were plastered with the name of the club and it was a different one each month .anyhow one sunday evening he got a call from the boss of the club to come in as soon a s he can .
In the dj went only to be met by the owner of the club with one of the cds . the person who he sold the cd to had brought it in to the bar that day looking for their money back as the cd didnt play,he got sacked on the spot ....

i use to work in the oasis and carrick and use to sell belts jeans and runners out of the back of the dj box (no joke ) the owner use to bring his son in to pick out stuff , he didnt pay of course. made a nice few bob from it ..

[mini-fanatic]

I often get people offering me money to play songs, but to be honest I usually just play them for them and refuse the five euro or whatever.

I never ever hold bags or coats for anyone, because I just can't watch them and if anything went missing they would blame me.

Likewise I would'nt be bothered selling cds either... although it is rampant in the Clubs on the holiday islands.

[Astec]

Totally illegal.

It's the same process as any record company that produces a compilation CD. Every track would have to be licenced to be used on the CD - that means contacting each and every one for sign off. They you have the charges for using it and the various music body charges that go on top of that. They actual adminstration of doing this legally makes it an extremely unattractive project.

[HammerJ]

I get the feeling that Ginger was taking the pi$$
There is only one excuse for doing this, and that is :
You are a brainless numbscull and want to get fired, prosecuted or both.

[Ginger]

I get the feeling that Ginger was taking the pi$$
There is only one excuse for doing this, and that is :
You are a brainless numbscull and want to get fired, prosecuted or both.

In relation to the legitimate method of selling CDs , i wasn't taking the piss . I worked in club m at the time and it was something management wanted me to do . I did make all the enquires and it was just way to much trouble with the purchase of the two licenses and the logging of each track . The cost factor would have made not worth while . We never actually got around to selling the CDs but it was a thought at the time . Club m did sell their own branded compilation CDs of licensed music . They had a 60s , love songs and pop cd . They also had underwear , gold balls , zippo lighters , glasses , jewelry etc branded with the logo.

It's not illegal if you do it right but it's not worth the trouble but as I said maybe it's easier now .

In relation to the guy giving me the tips . It's not anything i have ever experienced before and I certainly would never play a song that I didn't want to play no matter how much was waved around . I have once or twice been offered a tenner from muppets looking for outrageous music and I politely tell them to put it away. You just know when you take money for a tune they are gonna wreck your head all night .

[buzzbomb]

Taking bags and coats , well god help me . I was usually the unlucky one who got ssomebody wanting me to look after an entire wardrobe , umbrellas, bags , jackets , hats, shoes [yes shoes] jumpers you name i had it in Club 92 . I even looked after their drinks , their 'bring your own drinks' . The dj box was like a mini bar , mostly mine and Tommy matthews mind you.

[Caretaker]

Good to hear Ginger as I have seen people take money for this and think it is the lowest of the low ..

In saying that this person was always hungry for money ...

[Caretaker]

I worked in club m at the time and it was something management wanted me to do . I did make all the enquires and it was just way to much trouble with the purchase of the two licenses and the logging of each track . The cost factor would have made not worth while . We never actually got around to selling the CDs but it was a thought at the time . Club m did sell their own branded compilation CDs of licensed music . They had a 60s , love songs and pop cd .


I do recall coming to the aid of a certain DJ who drove off leaving his music collection on the street outside Club M...

no cd of the gig here .. he just left the full collection on the street.. FOC

[mick heaphy]

if you contact the record companies and they sign you off for the music and you pay whatever charges to them, why then would you have to pay any of these organisations anything? i thought these organisations were representitives in a way for the record companies and artists?

[mini-fanatic]

It may be possible to produce CDs but it is not practical.
The OP was eluding to selling Cds out of a dufflebag, the DJ with his own little enterprise. The same DJ would have downloaded his music from limewire.

Burned the cds on his pc, they may not even be labled.
This is really what we are talking about.

[HammerJ]

I take your point mini but airhead did say this bloke was promoting his 5 euro cd on big screens in the venue so he was not keeping it hush hush.