PPI crack down on club DJs

[Ginger]

Just to let you all know that the Digital DJ Licence will be happening next month and the cost is for any DJ with cdrs or laptops .

Here is an expert from the terms

1. A DJ declares the number of digital tracks currently in his library (say e.g. 16,000) and pays for the first year at that rate (€455.00). He also tells us at the time how many tracks he would normally add each year (let’s say 2,500 on average) and this will determine the charge in the 2nd and subsequent years. That charge will average at €345 :nutter:


So the bottom line is they will give us an amnesty to come clean and pay them for what we already have at the snip price of ONLY €455 :-)) And then another €345 from that point to be paid every year . So year one is going to cost you €795 ...


There is no advantage to the licence that i believe the Club owners are already paying through the nose to cover .IE that licenced DJs get better money ,or that the clubs can only employ licenced djs as in the security examples .

They also say they will have enforcement officers going around the Clubs :-)) When they have a Garda with them and a warrant , i will comply , until then they will be escorted away by the Doormen for harassment .

Its ironic that the the club pays thousands , the DJ pays itunes and now they still want more ......

Cheers

Niall

PS: Ring the ppi and tell them how you feel :-)):swearing::ranting:

[Mr Man]

Thanks for posting this up Ginger. Always wondered if you could be done for having CDRs or digital content while playing a gig. How does this differ from legally purchased CDs?

I only do maybe 15 gigs a year covering for friends, I cant really justify that kinda cost...

[Darker]

They also say they will have enforcement officers going around the Clubs :-)) When they have a Garda with them and a warrant , i will comply , until then they will be escorted away by the Doormen for harassment .

Hi Niall,

I wouldn't just dismiss enforcement officers like that. These officers are i'm assuming operating under certain legislation which provide them with powers under their specific warrants, regardless if a garda is present or not.

I don't know what legislation these guys will be operating under, but I’m guessing any legislation worth it's salt would allow the officer to seize relevant equipment, and failure to do so would result in fine /summons etc...

[buzzbomb]

Niall, can you tell us where that information came from ? Nothing on their official website .

[leggo]

Just out of interest, is there any clear definition for what actually classifies as a DJ under this legislation?

I mean...if I've a killer sound system that hooks up to my laptop that I like to bring it along to parties for my friends (as long as I've permission from the premesis), if my friends don't pay me then technically speaking I'm not a DJ am I? :)

[Caretaker]

To be honest Niall,

I would welcome a licence of some sort to stop the "add a HD and become a DJ" and for agencies each DJ would have a personal licence number not one licence covers all.

Clubs may be paying a fee already but it is the DJs that are suffering most from cash in hand operaters and a licence would mean an invoice including the DJs PPI licence number would need to be submitted to venue to receive payment for gig.

It would also like to see it cover Mobile DJ's and most importantly bands who offer a DJ service for €100 - €150 or on some cases being advertised as "free"

I would stop the €80 a night DJ in clubs and the €150 an night mobile DJs.

€345 is not a lot of money to hand out on a licence that ensures a fair and level playing field when quoting for a gig.

This cost is an expense that can be offset in tax returns; so for DJs that do make returns it should not be a problem or and Issue.

So I for one welcome this once it is enforced fairly..

Would like to see draft proposal on how the intend to police this.

[buzzbomb]

To be honest Niall,

I would welcome a licence of some sort to stop the "add a HD and become a DJ" and for agencies each DJ would have a personal licence number not one licence covers all.

Clubs may be paying a fee already but it is the DJs that are suffering most from cash in hand operaters and a licence would mean an invoice including the DJs PPI licence number would need to be submitted to venue to receive payment for gig.

It would also like to see it cover Mobile DJ's and most importantly bands who offer a DJ service for €100 - €150 or on some cases being advertised as "free"

I would stop the €80 a night DJ in clubs and the €150 an night mobile DJs.

€345 is not a lot of money to hand out on a licence that ensures a fair and level playing field when quoting for a gig.

This cost is an expense that can be offset in tax returns; so for DJs that do make returns it should not be a problem or and Issue.

So I for one welcome this once it is enforced fairly..

Would like to see draft proposal on how the intend to police this.

Caretaker i whole heartedly agree with the above but i cant see that putting an end to yellow pack/Ryanair dj's.

[Caretaker]

Hi Buzzbomb,

If a venue employed PPI licenced DJs only .. who provide a proper invoice to include address PPI number etc.. this would mean that the DJ is traceable for income tax so this would mean fees would average out to a fair rate..

I do not work in clubs anymore; but when I did was p***d off at how someone could operate a legitimate dj service at €80 per night.

Mobile DJs and bands that offer this service would be harder to trace but if the chance of being caught was there what harm... having the threat of PPI and revenue tapping you on the shoulder might reduce the overnight DJs appearing.

the fee is extremely low I would have thought €1k or more to allow playing recorded music in a public place licence would deter fly by night DJs...

[leggo]

I disagree. Now I'll put my hands up and say that all I know about this is from this thread...but imo if people see this as anything different than a money-making venture they're naive.

DJ-ing is expensive enough to do without extra fees. What other industry demands you to pay several grand just to have the equipment to work...before you even think about getting bookings to earn that back? I've been doing live DJ-ing for a little over a year now and am just about getting to the stage where I'm getting close to breaking even on my gear. And I'm someone who has radio experience on my CV and a shitload of contacts too...so I've had it quite handy for bookings.

But how does this licence benefit the people paying? What do we get for our money except for a right to work? And considering we need to pay for our equipment and music on top of this: Why do we need to pay any more for the right to work?

In security, a licence (which I also own and have to pay for) there is a need for a licence because the industry has a reputation for employing untrustworthy individuals, often criminals, in jobs that give them police-like authority in some occassions. So there's a need for a licence there.

The worst you're dealing with is tax-dodgers...who are essentially doing as much damage as a plumber who takes a nixer cash-in-hand.

There has to be a better way of policing these people. Because the way I see it, who suffers from this charge? The fly-by-night DJs will be dissuaded, so the only people who foot the bill will likely be the tax-paying jocks who pay for all of their music and are already suffering from almost everything going in, going straight back out.

[retired]

That is outrageous carry on.

[mini-fanatic]

To be honest Niall,

I would welcome a licence of some sort to stop the "add a HD and become a DJ"


So I for one welcome this once it is enforced fairly..

Would like to see draft proposal on how the intend to police this.

Does being tax and vat compliant make our lives any easier..?
Have you ever been approched and asked if you pay tax by an inspector during a gig ?

Because the way I see it, who suffers from this charge? The fly-by-night DJs will be dissuaded, so the only people who foot the bill will likely be the tax-paying jocks who pay for all of their music and are already suffering from almost everything going in, going straight back out. .

I can tell you all that the PPI are only good for sending out bills.
They will do nothing to police this so called 'licence'.

Personally I pay VAT, Income Tax, Levy and on top of that Insurance.
not to mention Advertising, Equipment, Music, Transport, Clothing, bookwork... the list goes on.

And thats before I ever do a gig, which is becoming more difficult as well.
So I agree with Ginger and if it comes to it tell them to get a warrant.
I would not surrender my cds or equipment to anyone, I would sooner give up altogether.


As stated by caretaker, are bands subject to this..?
Because they are our biggest threat and are taking more and more of our work.

[Caretaker]

Does being tax and vat compliant make our lives any easier..?
Have you ever been approched and asked if you pay tax by an inspector during a gig ?

NO BUT FROM WHAT I AM HEARING IT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN...

SOME WEDDING FAIRS RECENTLY GOT A VISIT FROM REVENUE


Personally I pay VAT, Income Tax, Levy and on top of that Insurance.
not to mention Advertising, Equipment, Music, Transport, Clothing, bookwork... the list goes on.

AS DO I....

And thats before I ever do a gig, which is becoming more difficult as well.
So I agree with Ginger and if it comes to it tell them to get a warrant.
I would not surrender my cds or equipment to anyone, I would sooner give up altogether.

A WARNING ORDER TO GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER SHOULD BE ISSUED ON THE SPOT IF NOT REGISTERED..


As stated by caretaker, are bands subject to this..?
Because they are our biggest threat and are taking more and more of our work.

ANYONE USING RECORDED MATERIAL SHOULD BE .. SO YES I WILL INSIST THAT BANDS ARE TARGETTED IF THIS IS GOING AHEAD ...

As for the tax dodger comment in another post ... the dodgers are the reason fees have fallen over the years .. especially in the mobile scence..

I have heard of DJs working in venues til 3am for €60 .... so are you telling me that if these guys had to declare they would still work for this ...

[mini-fanatic]

Not for one minute do I believe that the PPI will enforce this.
Will they do a Blitz some weekend, perhaps in the run up to Christmas...?
Maybe , but will be a nationwide campaign or will they target Night Clubs and bars in a 2 mile radius of Dublin City centre..?

I like the idea of a Licence, but it firstly has to be like any other licence.
1 it is a legal requirement to work in the indusrty.
anyone employing an Unlicenced DJ will be fined.
2 It is affordable ie: not more than €100.00
because those who do not pay Tax or download for free will not even pay €100.00 !!
3 There is a data base of DJ's who are licenced and these are the only ones who can work in Hotels etc etc.

Otherwise it is not worth the paper it is printed on.

[Caretaker]

Not for one minute do I believe that the PPI will enforce this.
Will they do a Blitz some weekend, perhaps in the run up to Christmas...?
Maybe , but will be a nationwide campaign or will they target Night Clubs and bars in a 2 mile radius of Dublin City centre..?

I like the idea of a Licence, but it firstly has to be like any other licence.
1 it is a legal requirement to work in the indusrty.
anyone employing an Unlicenced DJ will be fined.
2 It is affordable ie: not more than €100.00
because those who do not pay Tax or download for free will not even pay €100.00 !!
3 There is a data base of DJ's who are licenced and these are the only ones who can work in Hotels etc etc.

Otherwise it is not worth the paper it is printed on.

Hotels do not care who works in their function rooms.

three stories today...

1...€300 was to expensive for and after band -- client expected no more than €200.

2....€350 was quoted and agreed for a mobile DJ // client cancelled .. on the night DJ went up to venue for a sneak peak .. client saw him and apologised for cancelling as the DJ that was there was budget in every way and was ruining her night... his fee €150....

3... a well known agency is quoting €150 for a walk in DJ.. one wonders how much the DJ gets paid once their cut is taken..

The absence of some sort of register is allowing this to continue..

[mini-fanatic]

Look you are preaching to the converted here,

Its not a register or licence to work that we are really talking about here.
Apologies for going off on a tangent earlier, this is a licence for your music.

A licence for your music that you have already paid for, a licence fee that goes to the PPI. What do you get in return..?

Nothing, Zilch, Zip..!

[Caretaker]

I know..

just having a rant myself..

finished now.. once everyone has to pay it and people are fined for not paying that will make it fair...

[leggo]

2 It is affordable ie: not more than €100.00

You see, if it was affordable, I'd likely also support it.

But the rates quoted by Ginger mean that they are pricing many DJs out of business. I know that I wouldn't apply for a licence if you're looking at E750 a year PLUS expenses of the job on top of that. I simply don't have those kind of funds readily available for a lump sum payment, nor the guaranteed work to justify it. And I'd be willing to bet most DJs would be the same.

It's a typical Irish way of dealing with things though. Simply start charging the people you rely on for the industry to exist without giving them anything in exchage. Decisions like this are why the country is an absolute shambles.

[djflex]

From Nov 2009:

Just to let you all know that the Digital DJ Licence will be happening next month and the cost is for any DJ with cdrs or laptops .


The PPI website http://www.ppiltd.com/ says nothing about "Digital DJ" licences - so has this been enacted and the PPI site is way out of date, or has this not been enacted?

[mini-fanatic]

There have been staff redundencies at 1 Corrig Avenue...
What does that tell you..?

[djflex]

There have been staff redundencies at 1 Corrig Avenue...
What does that tell you..?

Er, not much. So is this the law or isn't it?

[mini-fanatic]

For it to be Law it would need to be a legal requirement for everyone who is playing music to have a licence.

Unlike a TV/ Driving / Dog or any other kind of licence, I have not seen it enforced, nor have I seen a price for this licence.
Nor have I been contacted about it.. after all I am compliant in every other way.
Are they going to make bands get one..? or the people who do 'DJ' themselves with an iPod..?

So ... Is it Law..? I have no idea mate.

[Ginger]

Er, not much. So is this the law or isn't it?

Dont worry its on the way . I spoke to Barry O Sullivan ( president of the nightclub federation ) and he has been talking with IMRO already in relation the the planned " Digital DJ Licence " and the prices i mentioned earlier seem to be set in stone as soon as its passed . I found this artical in relation to the same shambolic idea that was launched in the UK sometime ago and from what i read DJs refused to pay it for the reasons outlined below ! Im pretty sure you wont any find mention of it yet on their website but when you do im sure it will be on the IMRO site and not the PPI site

In a world which has gone completely mad, and a country which already forces it's mortals to pay twice for the same thing, the powers that be at PPL have put their collective heads together and decided to get a piece of the action. Somebody somewhere woke up one morning and thought 'Hey, how can we make consumers and Mobile Discos pay ongoing annual fees for the material which they have already legally bought' and decided that in order to create some additional revenue it would charge DJ's £200 ($350) a year purely for the right to convert one type of media (which they have already bought) to another type of media purely for easier archive and playback purposes.

Yes, fellow Dj's the age old rumour that you can back up your original CD's to MP3 format for use on a Hard Drive or Digital based player legally in the UK is FALSE! . Doing so is illegal and likely to risk prosecution despite it being perfectly legal and acceptable in many other European Countries, and America either under Fair Use conditions in local copyright acts or the Home Recording Act of 1992 (U.S.A). So in other words, UK based DJ's are being singled out, penalised and getting the raw deal once again.

The Digital DJ Licence costs you £200 ($350) and this gives you the right to back up original CD's to MP3 or other digital format for storage and playback on Hard Drive format (upto a maxium of 20,000 tracks) for use on a PC or Laptop, however like anything else there are conditions and several flaws.

Q) I have a Digital DJ Licence so surely I am now fully covered

False!. The first and perhaps most largest flaw in the Digital DJ Licence is the fact that the PPL licence is only half the story!. In order to remain fully legal you also need permission to convert the tracks from the MCPS as well. The Digital DJ licence only covers the PPL side of the law. As well as buying the Digital DJ Licence you will need to contact the MCPS and obtain a licence from them or risk prosecution. Since the MCPS (at the time of writing) do not have a blanket licence similar to the Digital DJ licence in place nor are they part of this Digital DJ licence, then this is likely to work out very expensive and time consuming once you contact the MCPS and also the individual record labels of all of the artists whose material you are converting in order to obtain permission. Assuming they DO give you permission!. If the MCPS or Record Label decline permission to convert any or all requested tracks and you have already bought the Digital Dj Licence then sadly, you have bought yourself a white elephant.

Q) What Additional rights and facilities does the Digital DJ Licence Offer?

Other than the right to convert your existing original CD collection to a more flexible means of archive and playback, absolutely nothing. You cannot use the digital back up at the same time as your original CD Material, so having two roadshows and using your CD material at one, and Laptop at the other would naturally still be illegal and is not granted under the terms of the Digital DJ Licence.

Personally I believe that making Dj's pay twice and ongoing for converting material, is simply put, unfair discrimination and an attempt at cashing in on the rights of individuals to choose to use alternate technologies where they are available in their marketplace. Dj's in other countries are not subject to the same laws and fees, so why should UK DJ's be charged? - after all, we already pay more than our colleagues in other countries for the original CD's in the first place, charging us a yearly fee on top of that is just taking the piss. What would happen if everybody was charged an annual fee to own and play their legally purchased CD's in addition to the cost of the CD's in the first place? - there would be a public outcry and rightly so.Why should this stealth tax on Digital Dj's be treated with kid gloves?

Q) But we are DJ's and using material commercially therefore we should pay

This is a tired point and one which is flawed. If you are going to use this point, then what you are suggesting is that all DJ's should be paying a yearly fee to PPL to play music where a fee is paid to the DJ. There can be no half measures or discrimination here. Either all DJ's who work for a booking fee (ie to make money) irrespective of whether it's a public or private function should pay the same Digital Licence fee every year whether they use CD, MP3 or a PC as a means of medium. Is a Digital Dj any more commercially desirable than a conventional CD or Vinyl one, do they earn more money?, command higher fees? do they deny the artist royalties?

Let me ask you a question, if a DJ buys a CD from the mall, goes home and converts it to MP3 purely because it is a more flexible and prefered method of playback for him / her, then leaves the CD in a cupboard at home whilst they take their laptop / pc to a gig, how is this adversely affecting the artiste who created the music?, is the artiste any worse off financially because of these actions? do they deserve a higher fee to compensate?.

Also remember that any venue we work in has to have an entertainment licence by law, which is payable to PPL, meaning that for playing music at least the PPL already has had it's pound of flesh!.

Q) How did this legislation get in and why wasn't I consulted?

Like most new legislation, rumour has it that this one arrived via the back door too. There was appearently DJ's and DJ Associations who were consulted as to their opinion on the matter and the licence was rumoured to have been constructed around their feedback and requirements. However exactly who was consulted and which DJ Associations remain a mystery because nobody has come forward.

Recent polls on the many DJ Forums, Entertainment Blogs and even the BBC show that the majority of DJ's are not happy with the licence in its current form.

More information on the Digital DJ Licence and campaigns against this unfair legislation can be found at http://www.dj-forum.co.uk.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=Chris_Pointon

[leggo]

Just skimmed through that, rushing before work. In short, if they don't convert music they're safe?

[Red Room]

Just skimmed through that, rushing before work. In short, if they don't convert music they're safe?

That's what it appears to be claiming. Now what about the music I buy online; will I be charged for putting it onto a DVD/CD for back up as well? Certainly, that's what this is inferring here.

[mini-fanatic]

They can shag off ..!:swearing:

[Caretaker]

Anyone interested in setting up a DJ assoc for Ireland...

[jolishan]

It has been attempted on several occasions and the last time was about two years ago as a thank you to all the people who were very good to me I tried with the help of two others but we were met by total apathy. Maybe the industry has developed and the people involved have seen the importance of a unified front. Hopfully.
Jim

[Caretaker]

you wonder sometimes ....

what were the aims of the people involved..

mine
DJ is certified by the association
1 tax compliant
2 insured
3 using legal music
4 standard of service achieved (set by assoc)
5 certification for individual DJs not agencies ..
6 association could push for DJs certified to be used in venues only.
7 would give DJ credibility having been vettted when quoting for work mobile or club

and on and on..

from what I have gathered .. Revenue stop work at 4ish each evening and fridays 4ish til 9am mondays ... so night time visits to function rooms or venues out of the question ..

Music industry needs to get its act together and clamp down on people who copy hard drives and become over night DJs.. by way of a licence

At the moment this industry is falling apart as it is so easy to hide in the shadows .. noone wants to police it..

[mini-fanatic]

DJ is certified by the association

At the moment as it stands we have probably 25% of all DJs who are Tax & Vat compliant.,

As for using completely legal music, personally I download the charts first from free sites... and those that work for me I buy.
The rest are discarded. The 'rest' would be 80%.

Insurance.. The premium went up to €706.15 this year for personal public liability with Quinn. That cover just me and my equipment based on 2 gigs per week., and no I have never been asked for it.

Would being in an association get you more work..?
Probably not to be perfectly honest but it would be nice to be able to put the symbol on your literature to show that you are at least a professional at what you do.

[leggo]

Guys, I hate to burst the bubble here, but it sounds like you'd be doing a lot of work for nothing.

Punters or clubs wouldn't care about a symbol of professionalism. They look for two things and two things alone: price and basic ability. At a stretch, a pub/club would look at your ability to draw a crowd, actually technical skill and a solid track record. But that's a club that really puts effort into their DJs and music policy...which is few and far between these days. Because it doesn't make THAT much of a difference to punters.

Plus you say yourselves, tax compliant DJs would only make up about 25% of the market (I'd say it's even lower). So a whopping 75% of DJs in Ireland would laugh off any idea of this. It's beaten before it even has legs.

THEN, by the sound of things, the very idea of this is (no offence) is a few DJs looking to put others out of work so that they can prosper. Do you really think you're going to win favour and gather momentum that way? There's been nothing here thus far about assisting upcoming DJs, training them, doing it ANY kind of way that turns a negative into a positive. It's just "Let's get these bastards out of business so we can earn money again!" The amount of people who will get behind this idea probably all post on these boards. And they'd probably amount to single digit figures when push comes to shove as to who'll put in the leg work required to make it work.

Finally, for you to make ANY kind of difference and to make it more than an exercise in mental masturbation, you'd need some form of legislation. This means enlisting the support of a back-bencher, ideally, who can push this through the necessary processes. First off, in this political climate with the economy and health system dying on their feet, how many back-benchers who can make a difference will REALLY devote their time to fighting the honest DJ's corner? And what's in it for them if they DO? Are they going to be promoted internally or court favour and votes with the general public by putting time and effort into this? The only people who would blink an eye at this would be DJs and pub/club owners themselves. And, by your own admission, you'd be pissing off a vast majority of them.

Secondly, no politician is going to put in the leg-work for this. It would be the association who'd do all of the running around, compiling the necessary paper-work and legislation, probably without pay, in the hope that it passes. If the bill fails, the entire cause was a waste of time. It's a dead issue.

I'm not saying this just to shit on everyone's hopes. I LOVE the pro-active thinking here. But I just think it's misguided and the above reasons are only what comes to mind for why it wouldn't work. If there IS something to be done...I don't think this is the way to go about it. Personally, I think this is the way DJ-ing is for the foreseeable future, and there's nothing that can be done about it. You just have to look out for yourself and make the best of a bad situation.

[Caretaker]

I agree,

everyone wants you to pay for licene for this licence for that .. what do you get in return nothing .. just another overhead for trying to operate above board..

I think you are lost with the putting people out of work thing ... I am operating on an uneven playing field ....

best to deregister and stop trading ...

you were a casualty of undercutting recently ... and it bothered you...

I'm at home this friday ... yet 4 other DJs I know are out none of them appear on the radar...

your income drops ... you appear on the radar and risk an audit .. how fair is that ...

anyway .. have put my soap box away now...

[mini-fanatic]

I'm at home this friday ...

You are a victim of the Wedding / Corporate collapse, the other four probably doing 'a 40th'..? Booked by someone who saw them doing a '21st' or a pub gig for someone else.

Don't feel too bad, we are all in the same boat.

[jolishan]

My first instinct was to stay away from this idea but when I saw first hand the good a group of like minded jocks could do it set me thinking about it again. I'm all for and have proven in the past that the encouragment of young jocks is a vital part of the business and is a rite of passage for the older jocks who are content in their own level of success. The wider benifits of self policing and setting a degree of professionalism are self explanatory I think, and it should have no immediate or obvious effect on a venue or a customer booking a jock, it should be an internal thing.
Anyway in the heel of the hunt my opinion your opinion or the Popes opinion means feck all because what sank this ship before it set sail was pure apathy. The bottom line is nobody gave a rats ass and it even got to a stage where I was getting abuse about it so |I walked away from the project rapidly. It does indeed look like the situation we have is the one that will remain with us for some time so rock on but the begrudgers will have to forgive me my guilty pleasure of keep my door open for advice, discussions or arguments about the life of a Club / Pub / Functions jock
Jim

[mini-fanatic]

Jim, I'm not concerned by the younger jocks coming into the business. Far from it in fact, I also give advice (the best I can), ..No it's the drummer in the band who 'plays music' for a couple of hours after the wedding, or the van driver or whoever....

We are all like minded, we all care, we all want to be the best we can be and take it very seriously. Unfortunately most of us work within a circle or group of 5 or 6 DJs that we all know for years. We have become good friends and keep in daily contact, We all do the same things...

We look out for one another but the trust does not extend outside that circle,
oh we all get on, don't get me wrong but the bigger DJ companies have no morals when it comes to gathering work or undercutting.

So the only idea would be to create one huge DJ company that would swallow up all the others, we all work for DJ Ireland ltd, we all have to be ... compliant / insured / legal music the works..
Or we simply don't work..

Not gonna happen is it.?
But we can all still get alone with one another can't we..?

Oh... and what's all this about you being God..?

[Red Room]

Jim, I'm not concerned by the younger jocks coming into the business. Far from it in fact, I also give advice (the best I can), ..No it's the drummer in the band who 'plays music' for a couple of hours after the wedding, or the van driver or whoever....

We are all like minded, we all care, we all want to be the best we can be and take it very seriously. Unfortunately most of us work within a circle or group of 5 or 6 DJs that we all know for years. We have become good friends and keep in daily contact, We all do the same things...

We look out for one another but the trust does not extend outside that circle,
oh we all get on, don't get me wrong but the bigger DJ companies have no morals when it comes to gathering work or undercutting.

So the only idea would be to create one huge DJ company that would swallow up all the others, we all work for DJ Ireland ltd, we all have to be ... compliant / insured / legal music the works..
Or we simply don't work..

Not gonna happen is it.?
But we can all still get alone with one another can't we..?

Good on paper but how in Gods name do you stick it all together?

[jolishan]

Oh... and what's all this about you being God..?

It's dog backwards if the truth were told:)
Mij

[leggo]

Good on paper but how in Gods name do you stick it all together?

You're talking legislation.

I'd be MORE than happy if the PPI introduced a licence. But, in return for the licence, I'd expect some concessions like making it simpler for DJ's to pay VAT and increasing the amount of tax back I can claim on purchased music. Some form of job security would be a dream come true too. I love DJ-ing. But I'd NEVER do it as my sole living unless I was forced to. The industry, as it is, is unlivable. As many here are unfortunately finding out.

If a licence helped, not hindered, the industry it would be the best thing to ever happen to DJ-ing.

But could an official IRISH organisation pull that off? That's laughable.

[mini-fanatic]

Make your life easier...?

Not a hope, honestly these agencies are like every other kind of agency.
They exist to make money for their clients... and themselves.

We would be stumping up more money for nothing.

[Caretaker]

Leggo .... you can write off any expense in full...

Private and petrol car not fully
Phone in full
Music full amount ... and on..

I think you need to change your accountant

I notice that everyone here are sole traders and are not operating an agency...

why not join forces and meet up and form some kind of DJ association.. with certain requirements to be part of

Benefits more than you think .... I have an idea in my head that will give you more clout when chasing work... etc..

[starsound]

We are probably one of the only countries that do not have an official DJ association.

Can someone maybe create a poll to see who would be interested. I personally think it would be a great idea:cheers:

[Caretaker]

We are probably one of the only countries that do not have an official DJ association.

Can someone maybe create a poll to see who would be interested. I personally think it would be a great idea:cheers:

There is not a lot of interaction here from DJs ..

This is something I would look at setting up but would really need the music industry and ALL venues to step up to the line..