nightclub ban

[frankie says relax]

A well known Dublin nightclub this weekend has banned their DJ's from using Cdr's .
According to the management , the use of Cdr's undermines the quality of their sound system and has in the past forced Jocks to push the system to it's limits to compensate for bad quality .

Will the rest follow suit ?? Hopefully not .

[KJ]

Will the rest follow suit ?? Hopefully not


Hopefully not or they'll find they wont have any decent jocks. CDR's are more about been upfront then been cheap (a decent TDK costs 2 Euro or so). Can you name the club Frankie? You wouldnt be open to anything libelous is doing so.


KJ

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[Turiel]

I can understand where they're coming from, but its not the CDR's causing the bad quality - its below-standard MP3s that are being burned. A little bit of education on MP3s by said management should solve the problem!? (or at least reduce it).

We all use CDRs. I don't know of a DJ who doesn't. Kelly's right, they're going to end up with DJs who have no new music (ie prerelease stuff thats popular) or just generally crap djs.

Indeed, let us know the name of the nightclub! PM it to me if you don't want to post publically :)

[frankie says relax]

it would'nt really be fair to mention the club but the quality of some downloads are really bad depending on the bit rate .
Most dj's depend on CD'rs and sometimes the quality is appauling ,even downloading a track a second or third time can give the same result .
A good system will only tolerate whats put through it and a bad quality track will stand out A f**kin mile ...........
Kelly , a blank CDR wont make a difference one bit if the download is distorted or hampered in any way .......

[KJ]

I download @ 192 or 160 (at an absolute minimum, if Im in a hurry or the tune is a large one size wise) but I know of many DJs DLing at 128 ........ which is a bloody joke ........ no amount of EQing can make 128 sound good. One guy I know rationalises it by saying "well all the sound systems I play on are crap ...... so what differance does it make?"

There's a sound engineer's saying that'll answer that one ........ "crap in ..... crap out"

PM me the name of the club Frankie? Because if this becomes a predecent we're all (club jocks that is) in a bit of a quandry


"Kelly , a blank CDR wont make a difference one bit if the download is distorted or hampered in any way ......."

All jocks should preview the first 30 seconds ("preview" is availible on WINMX), a decent set of ears will hear distortion/bad quality straight away

Watch this club's crowd go elsewhere!


KJ

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[frankie says relax]

Cant see how it's gonna affect crowds as long as they get to hear what they want , they dont care what it's played on .
I know one particular well known dublin dj who refuses to use cdr's and will only play original copies on disc .

About a year ago i played a track in a club , having just downloaded it that day , halfway through the song a bbc radio 1 jingle comes screaming out of the speakers ''the essential selection ''{lol} serves me right for not checking it first .

[Turiel]

Haha actually that happened with me with Roger Sanchez - Another Chance, was in a hurry and downloaded and burned it to cd without listening to it. I don't think anyone noticed actually, or if they did, nobody said it to me.

It will affect crowds in some way if the DJ doesnt have the new latest songs. And the latest songs are the ones that are being played on MTV, maybe a month or two before the official release. As I said in an earlier thread, we can't all rely on promo's, so downloading an MP3 is the best way of getting the newest songs.

Although, now that I think about it, I'd be doubtful about any venue loosing *lots* of customers because from what I've seen, half the people are in a place just to get locked or to score or whatever. I know of many people who go to a venue yet don't like the music at all or couldn't care less anyway.

Well anyway, put it this way, I can't realistically play in a venue if I can't use CDRs. I simply don't have near enough music on original cds to be confident in pleasing the crowd. Sure I get into a bad mood even if I forget 1 cd :)

[Slicklink]

Do you honestly think someone will notice the quality of 128k properly encoded MP3 towards one at 192 KBS on a sound system in a club (nevermind 400kbs - normal CD Quality). I can just see some punter with their frequency counters !! hmmm bangin tune pity about the heavy compression..........obivously badly encoded mpeg.

I'll tell you what whoever this niteclub guy is must have serious audio enhancement gear in his club with absolutely lots of well placed medium range speakers rather than your norm massive sound system if he can notice the difference between a CDR and an original. He cant be in the business long either because a lot of people I know are tone deaf or half deaf from spending too much time in them!!!!! Having said that there are places such as Down Under (and a few others maybe) that have a DB protection device but the sound systems in these places are so bad I doubt they'd notice if you recorded it on a built in microphone at home off the telly!! rubbish total rubbish.... I believe the story but there may be more to that than meets the eye..........at the end of the day if you rip it at 128 or 160 0r 192 or 256 and it sounds bad you simply dont play it!!!! if you can hear it in headphones then you will most certainly hear it on a sound system (CDRs have been out for years lads this is old hat) and ridiculous, IF ONLY the nightclub owners DID invest in decent sound systems, I can only single out one or two clubs that I can say I enjoyed using their sound sytem.

[KJ]

Although, now that I think about it, I'd be doubtful about any venue loosing *lots* of customers because from what I've seen, half the people are in a place just to get locked or to score or whatever


Nah, thats Copper Face Jacks you're thinking of ;)

Most punters (unless they're Culchies, sorry but its true) are big into their upfront tunes these days. They are the MTV generation, if they see the video 3 times a day they will want to hear it when they go out. If the DJ cant deliver maybe it wont be *the* deciding factor when they say "Erm, I think we should try somewhere else tonight" but it'll certainly be one of them

Just my 2 cents


KJ

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[frankie says relax]

Any decent DJ can read a crowd well enough to slip a new tune in at the right time {sorry , were talkin bout cdr's }
Dont think i could gig without the availability of music sites because 4 years ago i was getting discs from the record companies ,reports had to be sent back as to crowd reaction ,how often i played each song ,which mix was best and how many requests i was getting . It was like filling in a fu**in tax form . Then most of the time they'd send you utter SHITE and expect you to play it . Cdr's and downloads are around for a long time .....

[KJ]

getting discs from the record companies ,reports had to be sent back as to crowd reaction ,how often i played each song


Its dead easy with Promo return forms ......... just put their tune at number 1 everytime, lol. Seriously tho - sending them back feedback constantly (when they dont wanna hear your honesty, just "oh yeah! the track is faaaaab") is bad for the tune and label in the long term. Marketing departments who look after promo's with Irish distribution are few and far between anyway (BMG been one of the few decent). I say stick to the downloads.


Getting back to the Nightclub Ban ............ any noticable effect on atmosphere or crowd figures so far Frankie?


KJ

[Bob 22]

I ve been talkin 2 a couple of DJs IN CORK and Belfast who've decided not to use recorded discs anymore because of bad quality .
Original discs are always better but the cost of a single CD in this country is scandalous .
I dont have any sympathy with record companys losing money because basically over the years they never catered for working dj's , only when it suited them , and the more music sites the better .... in other words ''F**K the record companies , they get everything they deserve .

[KJ]

in other words ''F**K the record companies , they get everything they deserve


After reading Simon Napier Ball's "Black Vinyl, White Powder" (halfway thru it for the second time at the mo) Id have to agree


KJ

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