Charlie Wolf's advice to Chloe Jackson

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The Charles T. Wolf, Hims
Joined: 30 Jun 2002
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2002 1:46 am Post subject:

I'm sure she's a nice beour, like... but as a jock (and this is a professional opinion not personal) she needs a bit more experience. She's good where she is at the moment and developing her skills. Personally (and again this is a professional opinion not because I know him) I think we are lucky in Cork to have someone like KC. He is passionate about his music and has developed many of the basics of radio presentation; stuff like forward progression, brand identity and promoting station recall (sorry for the technical stuff). In very little time I could see him working at a KISS 100 in London or Radio One - he's not ready to take over from BamBam or Robin Banks (two very good friends) but he is on the way. He is one of the most talented music jocks in the Republic (both of them!) For Chloe, I would recommed she gets some professional help Not that kind, but find a good personal consultant or trainer. The gaffers at 96 won't have the expertise to take her to the next level - nothing personal to them. I've heard the odd link and, if there wasn't a conflict of interest, I could probably teach her a thing or two. I heard one link where she read out the entire tv line-up for the night -- bad. We try to get people to listen to the radio, not watch telly. Generally the best way to do it is to talk about what was on last night - and then only mention one thing: Did you see Friends last night when Ross frenched Monica, what a langer!" Chloe if you read this try sending a tape off to Dan O'Day in the States (he's a well known radio presentation guru and good friend). Or send some tapes to the top programmers in the UK (definitely not 2FM, they don't know shit about radio). Try Ric Blaxill at Capital or Dirk Anthony at GWR Group. They are always scouting for new talent and the best thing is not to so much ask for a job, but ask them to take a quick listen and give you some pointers so maybe you can work for their stations some day. Again, don't go to 2FM/RTE or most irish commercial radio (with the exception of Scott Williams at Lite in Dublin - it may not be the kind of radio you want to do, but he is a well known programmer and knows his stuff -- another good mate). And let's not forget Henry (ahhhh like). The guy has programmed two major radio stations: Atlantic 255 and Virgin, and been the boss at Galaxy in Manchester. And let's face it: You know you'd rather be working here!!

CHARLIE
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[RadioFriend]

Thats is just amazing.........

How dare you mention this girls name on your Radio Show never mind writing bloody (so called)advice for her ...

Charlie i swear to you when i say this ....and before i do its not a cheap shot at you ...You are not doing good radio at the moment?

I loved you on 252 but whatever you are trying to do at the moment is sad and washed up...
The old idea about guys tuning in even more if they hate you does not comply in this country.I did listen to you a lot but since i saw this side of you through RadioWaves i just stopped.
Nobody cares if your a friend of Bam Bams ,if fact nobody cares anymore ..One thing that you did say above is that Henry is a pro and yes your right he is ,but i can't understand why he is letting you post this sorta crap on the Net while your with RED?

The real winners are 96FM who have chosen not to play you at this stupid game.

96Fm will carry on as if you guys don't matter to them ,and before you say it we all know that they are very concerned about REd but the pro's won't pretend it....

If you upset this girl at 96FM enough to make charge her mind about working in Radio then you have really shown your true colours..

Get on with trying to do the sorta Radio we all loved from you Charlie....Give up this bull..
Also can i just say that your right about a lot of people that you mentioned ,KC is a real pro and so is Scott....I've always said that about Scott...The only question is why don't you learn from them or maybe you should send some "Cork talks back"airchecks to O'Day?
RF

[Charles T Wolf]

So you disagree with the advice and its balance? State how.

If you don't like what I am doing on the radio, then you are in the minority with the listeners of Cork. The show is still going from strength to strength and is sounding GREAT - not just my opinion but that is the opinion of top level people in the business - not some langer on a web forum.

Don't listen, that would be the easy option.

[gizajob]

Charlie, who are these "top level people in the business" that say you are so good ? Want to name a few names?

[RadioFriend]

As usual nobody can make a post here about Charlie's show without being called a langer?

I don't mind you calling me a langer Charlie because thats what my friends and i called eachother in school years ago and even at 7 years of age it did'nt upset me too much.

For what its worth i don't think your a langer Charlie because i don't know,so i can't say but am i not allowed give my opinion on your show,after all thats what we come to this site to do?

If thats your answer to everybody that says something that you don't like to hear well i feel very sorry for you.

I can't name drop like you because i have not been lucky enough to work with some of the pros that you mention but i will hold my head high and ensure you that i know good Radio when i heard it.

My problem with your post concerning this presenter in 96 is that you gave her no advice but only (name dropped and patronised her)...You used that (so-called)advice platform to promote yourself(once again)

And anyway what gives you the right to give her advice,i'm sure thats the job of Ronan and the guys at 96FM?

RF

[Charles T Wolf]

Maybe you didn't read the post... obviously. I told her:

1. Not to give out the entire night's tv schedule - we promote radio, not tv. (As she did.)

2. If you must talk about the tv -which is good as people do watch it- talk about last night's tv: stuff the audience can relate to, and then, only mention one programme, not the entire schedule.

3. I mentioned that she is not going to get quality direction from the folks at 96 - she needs to go outside. RTE is also not a place to get quality advice on programming either - unless she wants to work for 96 the rest of her life or go to 2FM, which is no real achievement, the place is sh*t -- sorry to burst your bubble.

4. The best way to get some good pointers on what she (or anyone) is doing is to send a post to a good programmer; I gave her about 3-4, I also mentioned she send a tape to Dan O'Day.

Face it mate, you've not worked with the people I've worked with, nor have you done the things I have - again, it seems to be me that gets mentioned on this site (without my prompting) there is a reason. I don't see threads started on what RF has done lately.

I don't know who you are, but if you are in radio you're probably a nobody at 103 or Radio Friendly - instead of spouting off here, maybe you should listen more closely to what I do and learn a thing or two. If you want to continue to moralise all the time then become a priest.

[Charles T Wolf]

Originally posted by gizajob
Charlie, who are these "top level people in the business" that say you are so good ? Want to name a few names?

Not really, some are commercially sensative others aren't - at the end of the day really isn't anyone's business.

I try to stay confident in myself, so the only person I need to impress at the end of the day is me - certainly I am not going to be swayed in my approach by some minority of anoraks on a web site, that would be well too shallow.

I've done my own thing for near quarter of a century now - it's done me pretty well (with the exception of dating girls in high school, but that's another matter :))

[rodge]

Yeeee ha Charlie your a beauty.....
Well said.

[TonyCurrie]

Dunno what the big beef is, here.

Looking dispassionately at the postings, I'd say Charlie was offering plenty very useful advice free of charge.

Good advice doesn't often come free. And it can always be ignored. My kids certainly ignore advice all the time. :)

Slagging him off about his show seems rather mean minded and oetty.

But that's just the way it looks to a casual surfer.....

[rlogue]

Fair fux to Charlie, at least he's an original talent on Irish Radio.

Can anyone here say with any conviction that there are *better* talents on the likes of 98FM and FM104?

Personally, I think not.

[Slicklink]

Just Curious........How is Red performing on the book at nightime ?

[Lenny]

Charlie,

Just a thought – Considering that this presenter is young and only starting off in this business don’t you think it was a bit much to post such advise on a public forum? We all value advice from time to time but couldn’t you have a least taken the time to maybe e-mail her privately. Taking her gig apart for her wouldn’t do much for her confidence.

I don’t think for a second that Dan O Day or any other consultant in there right mind would dish out advise on a forum like that – they would act like a fellow broadcaster and either keep to themselves or do the right thing and e-mail the person. You know…. Dear Chloe thought you might appreciate these few tips and so on.

You’re a very good presenter Charlie but don’t forget you started off in this business once too and I bet you would not have been one way impressed by taking advice off a bulletin board.

Again maybe I’m well out but just a thought,

Lenny

[The President]

aw c`mon, thought we`d left all this behind.

[NoelRock]

"aw c`mon, thought we`d left all this behind."

Me too :( apparently not!

Naturally I'd appeal for most, if not all, member of this forum to just turn their back on this entire debacle and concentrate on more important matters in Irish radio.

Call me crazy... but I just think that's the thing to do right now.

[xt2]

Charlie,

I have listened to your show and it was quite good, but please stop this bloody sh*te! I have listened to Chloe and even worked with her. She may not be best in the country but she is doing her best and we have to give her credit for that. She has a local "girl next door" voice which works in Cork, because she IS from Cork and isn't a blow in like half of Red's presenters.

Red is quite good as a station, very professional and is good at what it does. However, 96FM is in a totaly different market as Red so by you insulting them on this board and even on air is totaly unprofessional and childish on your part. As for KC, Yes he's good but I wouldn't say I'll ever see him at Radio 1!

And here's a bit of advise for you, stick to what you know Charlie, there are thousands like you ready to bite you in the ass so don't try and insult young talent, you never know, 1 year down the line they could be doing your job.

Thats my bit!

XT2

[Charles T Wolf]

Just a quick bit of background that may clear some of this up - and hopefully stop some of the abusive idiots that post to this site (see posting under RedFM thread).

The original poster who clipped and pasted a response from the People's Republic site took my post out of context. One is led to believe that I just started the thread and posted that out of the clear blue sky.

It was actually a response to a thread entitled "Die Chloe Die" (Which the poster did point out was a satirical title). I actually posted to DEFEND the woman.

I gave a professional assesment and I stand by it - she's nothing special, yet. For where she is at in her career she's not too bad, but if she wants to improve I gave her the advice that I would give to her face or anyone else - the same advice I would want given to me at that stage of my career. The simple advice is to send out tapes to the programmers who are the leaders in the industry. I gave her those names, and yes, I know most of them, I've been in UK media for about 15 years now. Someone else on some kind of psuedo republican bent thinks it is improper for me to tell her to go to the UK to work (talk about a little Irelander). Why not, their radio is far more advanced than here - and yes, some of it is pretty formulaic and bland too - but there are more stations there than here and it is more competetive.

It is a shame, from that we have a lot of moralisers on this site who talk sh*te, without foundation. Hence my dislike for most of what goes on here. (I'm glad I'm not John F., I couldn't put up with most of this.)

[NoelRock]

*Throws hands up in air*

Right then it looks like we got it wrong with this post?

My apologies to charlie if I was deemed to be talking sh!te in my above post and kudos to you for sticking your neck out and offering professional advice...

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"The original poster who clipped and pasted a response from the People's Republic site took my post out of context. One is led to believe that I just started the thread and posted that out of the clear blue sky. "

Charlie NOT AT ALL, I posted a link back to the whole thread on the peoplesrepublicofcork messageboard on the top of my posting, have a look at it again. I directed people to SEE the full post, as well as your quoted reply. Unfortunately the thread has disappeared from that messageboard in recent days!!.

Also Charlie, please stop referring, on-air, to people on this messageboards as "nobs", its hardly fair.

[xt2]

not to mention highly unprofessional and childish.

[NoelRock]

Wow nobs...

the height of wit and intellect is demonstrated there I tell ya...

[gizajob]

Charlie. I dont know if this is on purpose or not but all you are doing is giving chloe the kind of publicity shes never had before.
You know what the marketing gurus say. "no publicity is bad publicity"!

[gizajob]

or even "theres no such thing as bad publicity"!

[Charles T Wolf]

Exactly... can't say I'm not magnanimous :)

[Slicklink]

Charlie...... Hows your show doing at nightime ?

[Earthworm Jim]

I could probably teach her a thing or two. I heard one link where she read out the entire tv line-up for the night -- bad. We try to get people to listen to the radio, not watch telly. Generally the best way to do it is to talk about what was on last night - and then only mention one thing: Did you see Friends last night when Ross frenched Monica, what a langer!"

Shame on me I know for bringing this thread further back up the board but i was just listening to Chris Moyles. The Bloody amatuer only went and read out TV listings for tonight. Christ almighty, who does he think he is. That kinda crap wouldnt fly in Cork, hell no. Happily I cut that bit of Charlie's advice above into an email and sent it to Chris. Hopefully that'll take care of the problem.....Im sure Chris Moyles will be a better man and presenter for the advice. We can sleep easy tonight

[Charles T Wolf]

Originally posted by Earthworm Jim


Shame on me I know for bringing this thread further back up the board but i was just listening to Chris Moyles. The Bloody amatuer only went and read out TV listings for tonight. Christ almighty, who does he think he is. That kinda crap wouldnt fly in Cork, hell no. Happily I cut that bit of Charlie's advice above into an email and sent it to Chris. Hopefully that'll take care of the problem.....Im sure Chris Moyles will be a better man and presenter for the advice. We can sleep easy tonight

Jim,

The easy answer is: When you get to be Chris Moyles (or me for that matter) then you can break the rules --- and get away with it (or not, as the case may be).

People on this board can continue to be 'smart asses' and learn nothing or they can take another approach.

There is wisdom in this:
One cannot break the rules until one knows them. Please, go away and think on this for a while.

[Lenny]

Charlie,

"One cannot break the rules until one knows them" - thats kind of obvious isnt it?? Radio is about pushing the limits and sometimes beyond!

Your starting to sound like Yoda or yer man from the Karate Kid ;-)

Thanks for the advise Charlie Son!

Lenny

[Dirty Pop]

Sorry Charlie

Im one of those people who really annoys you, namely someone who disagrees with you(dont you just hate us, what with our own opinions 'n' all!)

For a start just in reply to
The easy answer is: When you get to be Chris Moyles (or me for that matter) then you can break the rules --- and get away with it (or not, as the case may be).

Do you not think its possible that Moyles(or for that matter....some other people) GOT to be where they are precisely BECAUSE they never paid any attention to the rules? Its possible, and its my opinion that the case is not as you say they can break the rules because they are Chris Moyles, but rather they are chris Molyes(in that they are where they are) BECAUSE they break the rules.

I hope you have a good helmet, you certainly do "seem" to ride on a very high horse!!! I say seem because i dont know anything about you and so am not in a particularly strong position to judge. All Im going on is your posts, and they have at times painted you as quite the little equistrian!

Everyone has their own opinion of radio and how is should and shouldnt work. Perhaps Cloe ( and its quite possible she's not) is one of those people who doesnt particularly LIKE the rules. Do you not think that these rules can change over time? If everyone for example starts breaking one rule, does that not stop it from being such an important rule, afterall how important can it be if noone follows it?

Just a thought. I dont think Jim above was trying to compare Cloe to Chris, he was just poking some fun at this whole thread, lighten up!!

One final question, when according to the way you see it, do you reach that position when its ok to break the rules? I'm having difficulty in following your logic. You're starting out as a Dj, so you have to follow the rules. But to get a moyles-esque reputation you have to start breaking them? SO, surely if you were beside a radio the FIRST time Moyles broke the rules you'd have to give him the same advice you gave to Cloe right because back then he wasnt superstar DJ Chris Moyles SO he hadnt become the Chris Moyles you say is allowed break the rules, if you follow me?Dont make no sense!!(Daniel Son)


Please, go away and think on this for a while.

[Wheatus]

Firstly, the little guy in Karate Kid is Mr Myagi.

Next, as someoe who has great respect for Charlie and not a whole lot for this board or those who post on it (bar, of course, myself) I do see where he´s angling from in terms of Miss Jackson (ooh - I am for reee-eeal! Sorry, couldn´t resist). She is piss poor, and needs airchecking. If Charlie wants to slate her or this board on any forum, be it on air or online, then that´s his perogative, and if it´s what he thinks, then who are we to criticise? He must also be applauded for his ability to rattle the anorak cages - this thread has really been a runner, and I´m sure that´s the idea.

However, even as a fan of Mr W and his radio style, and much greater one of Moyles, it does strike me as a bit rich for him to proclaim himself and Moyles to be on the `higher plain´ of radio presenters who know the rules, and so have license to break them. Charlie, you´d do well to remember that those rules aren´t necessarily there to be broken, and those jocks who worship at the altar of the liner card and smiley face are THIS country´s most successful (Dempsey and Gogan for example). A bit boring, but hey, that´s Ireland.

Also, to suggest you´re in the same sport as Moyles, let alone the same league is a bit much. Moyles is class. You´re very good. But there is a divide there Charlie. To give you the benefit of the doubt, having read your other provocative posts, I think perhaps you may have been stirring it there too.

And finally, to Earthworm Jim: I´d be very interested to know if Moyles emailed you back. I wouldn´t hold your breath.

[Billy Dane]

And finally, to Earthworm Jim: I´d be very interested to know if Moyles emailed you back. I wouldn´t hold your breath.

Wheetus. Maybe if you had a bit more respect for the board and its contributors you'd realise that when EJ said

Happily I cut that bit of Charlie's advice above into an email and sent it to Chris. Hopefully that'll take care of the problem

he was being sarcastic.

[Slicklink]

Oh I havent had such a laugh at something on this board in a long time ... nice one Earthworm.

Did you get a chance to check your book Charlie ? Perhaps then you can tell us all how wonderful you are.

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Chloe Jackson and 96FM parted company some weeks ago. However it is nice to see that she currently has weekend work on ... RedFM. One wonders will she be appearing on-air some night on Cork Talks Back?

[CorkLad]

Gotta say! For a radio station that prides itself on having some of the best Jocks in the Country, taking chloe on board seems to be suicide! (Unless their going for the 10 year old market?)

[corkdood]

Well at least it will shut charlie up for a while. I doubt if we'll be hearing much "I'm sorry miss Jackson" from Cork talks back from now on.
Could it be that Henry Condon knows better than Charlie Wolf on what makes good radio djs?

Probably - hes only been programme director of Atlantic 252 and Virgin. I'd say he's qualified.

[Anorak]

Pat Courtenay, who is popular in Ireland, offering advice and encouragement and engaging in debate on this board.
That's another thing that's shut CW up after all his pontificating.
There's been no throwing toys out of the pram if somebody questions what Pat has to say - and not surprisingly, not many have disagreed with him, unlike our Charlie.

[Charles T Wolf]

Pat who....?

This is Ireland folks let's not forget.

[Charles T Wolf]

By the way... the Choe hiring has my full support -- I suggested it to Henry several weeks ago.

[Charles T Wolf]

Originally posted by 021
Chloe Jackson and 96FM parted company some weeks ago. However it is nice to see that she currently has weekend work on ... RedFM. One wonders will she be appearing on-air some night on Cork Talks Back?

She will be on this week as our special guest - as a matter of fact. :) Keep listening, it will be fun.

[Charles T Wolf]

Originally posted by Charles T Wolf
Pat who....?

This is Ireland folks let's not forget.


Actually, I was speaking off the cuff moments before going on air... and mean no ill will to Pat. Read one of his columns just now and they are very good.

What I did find stupid was the (typically) b*tchhy comment above, that now that Pat has written something it invalidates anything I've said. I would assume that we probably agree on most things.

What the person above can't stand is he knows I am right.

P.S. I'm playing 'Ms. Jackson' even more now. Anytime someone on this board says they are p*ssed off with something I do, I just do it more - you really should have learned by now!!

[Anorak]

Actually, I was speaking off the cuff moments before going on air...

Typical knee-jerk reaction from you Charlie.

the (typically) b*tchhy comment above

You missed the point of what I was saying. i have no interest on whether you agree with Pat or not. What i was referring to was your own hissy fit when people here disagreed with you, and his lack of a hissy fit if and when anybody disagreed with him.

Anytime someone on this board says they are p*ssed off with something I do, I just do it more

You have ni odea how pissed off we would be if you got on a one-way flight back to America! :)

[CorkLad]

So getting bad to the Chloe thing, all bitching aside. Surely there's dozens of better DJ's in the cork region. I know so myself!

Why take someone on-board who has dropped ratings on 96fm and who was left go by (what redfm regard as)a weaker competitor?

[corkdood]

Where are they then ? College Radio? Hospital Radio?, Pirate radio ? spinning the chunes in Mangans/Havanas?

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Chloe did appear on the show last night and accepted CW's apology.

BTW
Charlie has been repeatedly referring to Ken Perrott (who replaced Chloe's show on 96FM) as just being the guy who drives 96FM's van (well its actually a JEEP for the Street Fleet, not a van)

Amongst other things, the people on this messageboard were described as "Absolute Losers" and "Sad People" by Charlie Wolf on his show last night.

2FM was described by Charlie as a "poxy State-run organisation" with Larry Gogan being described as a "10,000 year old man" kept going by life-support, and once again Pat Kenny was descibed as "Boring as Hell" etc.

Anyone hear his "Osama Got Runover by a Reindeer" song which got an airing on Tuesday night (a remake of "Grandama got run-over by a Reindeer" which people well remember was always played at X-mas in the early days of Atlantic 252)

[rickker]

021 - Are you giving out about him or just reporting him ??

Because if you are giving out about C.W. then what do you want on Irish radio ??
We need a mouth, a gobsh*t ( as ye might call him ) - someone so left of the norm from what the Irish airwaves are polluted with ...

Answer this , is there any one else with the same style as C.W. on air in this " quality starved " country ?? I think not ...

So people just let it go . :mad:

Jesus there are some total toss**s on this board ( not you 021 )
Muppets who will never make it in radio, sad ass anoracks who bitch at everything .

Another great man crucified,

Forgive them Charlie for they for know not what the do !

[7incher]

Charlie comes in here and slags the site off for nothing more then cheap heat for his show. how many of your listeners actually come onto this site mr wolf. give it up and grow up

[021]

I hear that Chloe Jackson appeared on WLRFM over Christmas with a 3 hour show there on Christmas Night. Will she be doing any more ‘relief work’ on RedFM? Maybe her appearance on WLRFM may suggest she's being considered for the forthcoming Beat FM?

Meanwhile Charlie Wolfe returns to RedFM tonight after his Xmas break from there. He was over on talkSPORT doing overnight a lot over Christmas. Hopefully back on RedFM he will be careful not to repeat the mistake he made a few weeks ago of giving out the talkSPORT phone number instead of his RedFM one!! :) He did so on at least 2 occasions one night some weeks ago before realising his mistake.

[Liamo]

Jeez, Charlie - giz a break.

Yes, your show can be good, and yes you've more experience than most of us here, but calling people "langer" and "nobody" is way outa line....maybe you've been listening to the boy Roy too much down south - I dunno - but there's absolutely no need to drag the board down into a slagging match.

There's lotsa good and bad radio out there, and indeed some of the opinions on what's good or bad are subjective, but singling someone out or name-calling is childish to say the least.

Dissing the opposition is a dangerous game, particularly if it gets personal, and is not generally done in Ireland. Maybe we diss the other station - get the dig in, maybe say "the best music ? Kiss ? My ass!" - whatever, but we generally leave personal digs out of it, especially when it's likely to be detrimental to the confidence of someone who, as you say yourself, could be good if pointed in the right direction.

I didn't hear the original quote, and if it was "she's good, but needs to be helped along" then (apart from being a little odd, coming live on air on the opposition) it's not a crime. I have to say, though, that given your visible tendency to slag off the opinions and insult some of the board's "minority of anoraks", I don't think you can blame me for not immediately giving you the benefit of the doubt ?

If she's good and needs pointers, and it's so important as to name her on air, why not hire her and train her ? Or is all this just based on "no publicity is bad publicity" ?

Anyway, that my 2 cent worth, and it's basically to say (and this is to everyone) to ease up on the insults and slagging and get back to discussing. Charlie's advice, while opinionated, isn't bad at all - he just needs to just watch the delivery method (whether on-air or on forums).

Who knows, if he gets help from one of the experts he mentioned, then we all might be able to heed it :o)

[Slicklink]

Think before you type and you wont have to apologise.

Tabloid Radio.... aww boring..... what is it with this country that someone gets maybe a thousand listeners a night and they develop an ego... Ireland is a small place as was rightly pointed out earlier in this thread and this nonsense of "hey I'm the man" frankly gets right up my nose.

De talk radio thing in Cork wont last, give it a year or so it'll grate on peoples nerves until there forced to put someone else in to freshen it up.

Moyles... different league sorry

[021]

Last night Charlie had "Fine Gael TD" Colm Burke on air to talk about affordable housing. Only problem with the interview Charlie is that Colm Burke is a COUNCILLOR, not a TD. he must have been too flattered to correct you! :)

BTW Monday night Charlie you mentioned Mitchelstown as being a West Cork town, well its actually at the North East corner of Co.Cork.