The "Charlie Wolf - removed post" thread

[Eichman-JR]

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Did any body hear charlie wolfe explode on air last thursday about a thread posted on this site. It was the funiest thing i have every heard in my life if you missed it click the link below
http://audio.charliewolf.net/shows/200208/20020829_2.ram

skip the first 10 mins and when he mentions zyclon-b skip 3 mins, he exploded it was realy over the top and the expletives he used could have peeled the paint off the wall. I saw the thread my self and he only read about a quarter of it and he was too chicken to read the stuff that criticised him and that poxy radio station. he also dared the author to come on air but changed his mind when he read that the author was more than happy to come on air what a chicken!!!
:D :D :D

[John Fleming]

A little sense of perspective needs to be put on the above post. The thread referred to has been removed and there is a very good reason for that - it was highly offensive, not just to Charlie Wolf but to Jews in general. I can fully understand Charlie's reaction to it, he was raging and rightly so. This needs to be stated because others cannot read the post for themselves.

As for what Eichman Jr is alleging...well, go and listen to the audio yourself and make up your own mind.

My major objection is what happened next. I haven't listened back to the audio so i may have the terminology wrong, but Charlie Wolf then went on and encouraged his listeners to 'smoke' this site. In otherwards to come on here and cause as much havoc as possible.

The chap was angry, there's no doubt, but even in that anger, is it fair to hold this site responsible for the views of someone who in the space of 20 minutes on Thursday evening came here (presumably for the first time), signed up and posted what he did?
Especially as the person concerned had no interest in radio, so it is safe to say that it was the Charlie Wolf show - and the knowledge that Charlie Wolf rants about this site on air - that attracted him here.

To take this one step further, if this person had rang the station with his outrageous views, would Charlie Wolf had held Eircom responsible?

Charlie has contacted me personally about this and i am not going to discuss any private correspondence, but he does claim that he never intended to cause disruption to the site.
Leaving aside the previous three nights on air, i find that a strange thing to claim in light of what he asked people to do on Thursday night...and to turn it around, if i'd got on here and encouraged our members to jam Red FM's phonelines, i'm sure Red FM's legal team would have been down on us like a ton of bricks.

This isn't the reason why i didn't take that course of action however. I didn't do it because Charlie Wolf would not have had to deal with the calls or anger, rather some receptionist sitting remote from the studio - i know because i rang not long afterwards and asked her to pass on the message that it isn't "Zyclon B" that would have had to deal with the consequences of what he said, but Cassie, myself and other mods. As it happens, i was the only one online on Thursday - so it was me that had to deal with all of it.

I also posted a message here asking him to retract what he'd said.

Whether or not he came back onto the board before the end of the show (he has been surfing as a guest recently), or whether the receptionist gave him the message, i do not know, but he had nearly 2 hours to consider what he'd said, and he didn't retract his 'call to arms'.

The post which offended Charlie Wolf was provocative and outrageous, but while nobody deserves to have to deal with that, surely he cannot be surprised that he attracts this kind of attention? If you play with fire, there's a hell of a chance you'll get burnt. He has had similar reactions at other radio stations, and a lot of the evidence is available for all to see online, so to blame this site is a bit rich.

[Charles T Wolf]

I'm off for a cycle, so I won't be too concerned by most of the posters to this site but will respond briefly.

I will state the obvious to the person that started this thread: I post under my real name. I don't hide under a psuedonym, nor do I have to use names like Eichman. So you tell me who's chicken.

If you have a problem with me, state it. But if you have to use anti-semitic invective it shows what a mono-culture racist people you must be. Maybe Trimble was right?

I will take on anybody over the phone that has the GUTS to ring the show. You didn't, neither did the person who signed himself as 'Zyclon B'. I wans't going to put him over the air as his post showed he was bereft of argument or any form of logic. As Tommy Boyd once said to me, when a person comes on air, they are part of the total show, so if it isn't going to be entertaining or intellectually stimulating, then I have the editorial duty to keep it off air.

From the 'arguments' I've seen so far to this site I don't think any of you would make it on to my airwaves. You can't even debate radio properly, never mind life, politics or world events.

[Eichman-JR]

What exactly are you insinuating Charlie???? Eichman is my real name, my father was Swiss.

[Billy Dane]

Originally posted by Charles T Wolf
As Tommy Boyd once said to me, when a person comes on air, they are part of the total show, so if it isn't going to be entertaining or intellectually stimulating, then I have the editorial duty to keep it off air.

Your a damn hypocrite. One of the nights I was listening you played about 15 minutes worth of unedited phone messages, none of which had anything intellectually stimulating.

Charlie, there was another post in this thread. You ignored it. If it is true that you asked your listeners to come on to this site and f**k with it, that is low. And hardly fair.

[RayDio]

Listening to the above thread - apart from the issue in question, can i just ask how the BCI allow this language be used?
Any half decent broadcaster who listened to that show will agree some of the words spoken by Charlie Wolf were out of place and extremely offensive.
If any of the Dublin talk shows used half of the level of language im sure the BCI would be down on their backs like a ton of bricks, i beg someone from the BCI to listen and click on the above link and tell me how this man is allowed to use this language.

[John Fleming]

The person using the name 'Zyclon-b' wrote last night and has 'sincerely apologised' for what he said and how it affected both Charlie Wolf and this site. He said that he was so worked up and angry at Charlie Wolf. He apologised for any offence caused. He wanted to do that using the messageboard, but his ability to post had been removed.

Zyclon-b has apologised, i have apologised privately that this site was used as a vessel to propogate it, bit i still await an apology either privately or here, publicly, from Charlie Wolf about the distress he has caused me and the site these past few days - especially what he did on Thursday night. I now assume that he doesn't think i deserve one.

One thing needs to be cleared up for newcomers to this site who are here to defend Charlie Wolf against the abuse he's getting, or have only started surfing this forum since his attacks on the site.

Up until the start of this week, most members had the utmost of respect for him - whether or not they agreed with his style of radio. Many still do it has to be said.

But, it needs to be pointed out that, whilst he has continually said 'that's the kind of people you're dealing with at Radiowaves' after reading out an abusive post towards him on air, he always fails to mention that he has rarely received this kind of attention here in the past - not until he started dishing it out himself in a thread at the start of this week, and followed up by attacking the site on-air.

Another thing a lot of you might not be aware of - particularly Radiowaves members...the People's Republic of Cork site that he praised this week while slating us here....well, in the previous week they had just had to deal with Charlie Wolf lashing out at members online and on air - i may be wrong, but this is based on a couple of threads i read there.

So what is it all in aid of? Is it a game he plays? I have no doubt that this all started out this way. I've listened back to this week's shows, and there was a sense of fun, an air of wind-up, about what he was doing. There's no doubt that it all gets people talking and will add listeners. But it also leaves a lot of very bitter people in its wake. It appears though, that for Charlie Wolf, the end justifies the means.

At one point on-air, after counting the amount of threads that had developed based around his provocation towards the members of this site, his on-air reaction was "Look, they're all talking about me..." It doesn't seem to matter to him what they were saying though.

This is a site where people come to discuss radio issues. It is a site for opinion, discussion and conjecture. To any outsider, i will defend the members here. They are a great bunch and there has been some great debates and conversations about radio - the passion we all share. Very few claim to be 100% right, 100% of the time - but this week one person has.

My reading of how this exploded is that Charlie Wolf advised people on a particular issue, some responded without agreeing - and also without resorting to abuse it might be added - and, it appears to me that he had a major problem with people who had an opinion that differed to his and lost the head, first here online and then on air. Whether that was orchestrated is open to debate but you can judge for yourself...this is the thread in question www.radiowavesforum.com/rw/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1285

In defence of our members, after spending 4 days on air calling them all "idiots" and "tosspots", i think they were very restrained under the circumstances.

I am of course talking about the long-term members, and not those who have joined as a result of the furore he's created - as i said before, the latter have come here as a result of the Charlie Wolf show rather than any real interest in radio.

Some have questioned my sanity following the decision to ask Charlie Wolf to give out the url on air last Tuesday. I did it with very good intentions. I felt he was giving a biased and one-sided representation of the site and his own part on it. I wanted to give his listeners the opportunity to make up their own minds. And, as said above, there was still a sense of fun about the whole thing.

Since he gave it out we have had to deal with people signing up for no other reason than to abuse other contributors and cause disruption. If their intention was to defend Charlie Wolf, i'm afraid they made a diabolical job of it. Some made their points well, but most resorted to foul language and personal attacks on members. And we're supposed to be the 'idiots' and 'tosspots'!

As a result of all this, most of my time in the past few days - including most of the hours nature has deemed it necessary for me to get some sleep - have been spent attempting to restore order to the forums.

There was a point where i believe he should have stopped, a point where i believe he was crossing a line and was going too far. That point came on Thursday when i felt i had no choice but to listen to his show, rather than choosing to listen for entertainment purposes previously. It turns out i was right. He says he started the show with no intention of bringing up the board again, so in fairness to him, he realised it too.

I have maintained a silence while all this was going on but after a week of his attacks, i now make my case and the case of the members here. Everything has come to a hurtful end - well, hopefully an end, that ball is in his court - following a post made here on Thursday night, discussed above. The person, who had just joined, chose a username that would be provocative to any person of Jewish persuasion - which Charlie Wolf is. The body of the post contained a disgraceful and hurtful attack on Charlie Wolf, and despite the damage and hurt he's caused to me in the past few days, i certainly wouldn't wish it on him.

His reaction to the post was to encourage his listeners to come on here and cause as much disruption as possible. He held the site responsible for the views of this person and wanted revenge. It didn't seem to occur to him that that style of revenge affects Cassie, myself and other mods who work hard to maintain order on this site - rather than the person he wanted to lash out at, who didn't come near the site again until late on Friday.

Seeing another sleepless night ahead, i rang the station and asked for a message to be passed on, pleading with him to retract what he'd said. I posted a message to the forum too. Whether he got either message whilst on air is not known to me, but anyway he had nearly two hours to think about the situation and didn't call a halt to it himself on air- and still hasn't.

I once respected Charlie Wolf and his style of radio. That was before i became a victim of it though.

How many more victims are there out there?

And do these endings really justify his means?

[Dogger]

No they don't, he is being immensely unfair and vindictive and it seems to me that he is being that way because his ideas were challenged and his ego doesn't allow that sort of thing, oh no.
As for the comment about his religion, that should never have been made and not because he is Jewish, but because someone's religion has nothing to do with their opinions about radio.
Regarding the poster of those comments, the apology is too late, the damage has been done. And that handle is totally out of order.
Mr.W's reaction to posters not entirely agreeing with him is immature and unbecoming and I as a professional in the business for almost 15 years object to his attitude to same. I prefer to debate, not vaccilate.
Finally, if Mr.W wants to see what real religious intolerance is about, let him get a position in CoolFM and live in Belfast for a while.

[Slicklink]

I see I missed an eventful week.

John I'm posting this publically (rather than privately) mainly to support this site as I think it is normally an excellent form of interesting radio discussion.

And John I reckon you have a lot more patience than I have in that I know what I would have done had I been the one who had to stop the spamming that was instigated by Mr "I am Radio". I have never read so much back slapping, self indulgent, egotistic comments as are in the thread above.

One thing Mr Wolf should note is that he is not the only one in the IRISH Radio Industry that visits here. Ironically Mr "pro" Wolf claims to visit this site to "share a little learning and experience".

No, Mr Wolf you would be better off taking your own advice "Why don't you read and learn not try to think you are smarter than everyone else" becuse one things for sure you are only as good as your last gig in this industry and I cant wait for yours. 2fm wouldnt have you anyway.

[John Fleming]

Thanks for the kind comments.

I am/was patient because i care about the site - and so do so many of you. I have put the best part of the last three years into it and i'm not going to let the likes of Charlie Wolf - and all those who came here solely to attack him - destroy that.

But i had to restrain Cassie (who is also an American btw!) though. She was less cool-headed....and had this statement prepared. If Charlie Wolf was looking for someone with balls, she was ready for him!

As Charlie called off the attacks on the site last night (without an apology, we don't seem to deserve one), i am posting this to make him aware that we will not let this site be used for him to feed his ego again.


I REFUSE to let this go on.
I'm not going to sit back any longer and watch something that John has worked so hard on and something that many of you enjoy, be torn apart by someone with an ego the size of the entire Country of Ireland.

So here it is....
I've had as much of this Charlie Wolfe crap as I can take. It's coming to an end as of right now.

If Charlie Wolfe wants to feed his ego, he's going to have to find
somewhere else to do it, because he's not going to do it here, not
anymore.

As of now I am personally going to go through every forum on this
message board and remove EVERY post that mentions his name, and EVERY post made by him.
If any posts are made about or by him in the future, they too will be removed, no questions asked.
If you have a problem with this, e-mail ME, not John.
He has nothing to do with this, it's my decision and mine alone.

One last thing....Mr. Wolfe, you can go right ahead and give out the URL and ask people to 'smoke' this site as many times as you want, it'll do you no good.
If I have to watch this board 24/7 I'll do it.
Nothing about or by you will be posted here ever again, you have my word on that.

I should tell you this too, look up the word "Bitch" in the dictionary. The definition is "Cassandra O'Meara".

Thanks for reading everyone.
Cassie

[Elaine]

very well said cassie.

[Charles T Wolf]

Hey folks.... it is a site about radio. Let's stop getting up our own asses on this.

If I recall, this all started over a bitchy discussion about RedFM's news. I don't think there are too many people who can quote Storz and McLendon - so I don't think my opinion on the matter was anything but considered.

But, if you think this board is as important as the UN or the sitation in Iraq I've got some news for you.

Listen, this is a country that gave us Larry Gogan, Gareth O'Callahan, 2FM... need I say more.

Have fun in the cessepit - I've got more important things to do.

[Shane P]

cassie well said!!!!!!!!

[Billy Dane]

Originally posted by Charles T Wolf
But, if you think this board is as important as the UN or the sitation in Iraq I've got some news for you.


As I recall, you've spent more time talking about this board on your sad excuse for a radio show than the UN or the situation in Iraq. In fact, last Tuesday night you couldn't shut up about it, so much so that your studio guest sounded right pissed off.
The previous night you dropped the news and then overran to talk about it.
Last night you wanted to drop the news to talk about it.
You consider it so important you asked your listeners to smoke it.

I think its understandable that the people who have spent years making it the resource and pleasure it is for many, should lash out at somebody who threatens its existance and treats it with such disregard. It may not be important to you, but it is to them, and us. Why do you have such a problem respecting that?

[The President]

Now I`ll sing the first line and then you start the record.. "Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllll you know you make me wanna shout ......... And I feel awlllllright

well everyone have fun in your sixties cessepit Atlantic 252 loving nation, I`ve got more important things to do..


Forgive me, Just being a proper Charley again.

[Bananas]

Could'nt you just delete this thread?? Ignore Charlie's threat about "Smokin" this site, i have listened to him for so long, he would not give out this address again anyway, please trust me.

[Cassie O'Meara]

Thanks Elaine and Shane P.
What I actually wrote was about ten paragraphs long...John posted the condensed version.
I've kept my mouth shut about so many things, but this just went to far for me to keep silent.
And what I said about the dictonary, it's true, just ask John!!

Cassie

[Pierce]

WEll said Cassie . Everyone ignore Charlie and he will go away. There is a saying that sums it all up

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me.......

Cassie and John and the other admins you do a fine Job dont let the Charlies of the World get you down.
If you cant take the Heat get out.
Keep up the great w2ork and thanks for everthing....

[CQuential]

Cassie,

Extremely well said.

As for what went on on-air does a certain person realise/care that the BCI actually inforces standards?

or that encouraging listeners to attack a message board could potentially have all sorts of legal implications.

You do realise you're broadcasting into a country with one of the highest levels of litigation in the world??

Highly immature behaviour! It wasn't even of high entertainment value.

As for the posters who engaged with it... what can you say...

Anyway, thankfully it's all over!

Let's hope such slagging matches don't become a regular feature of this site. If they do, I'll be closing my account! I didn't sign up to a bitching board and I strongly appreciate Cassie's stance on the issue!

Go girl!

[Slicklink]

I have read the original thread and debate again and I what I have come to realise is the obvious humanitarian side to Mr Wolf’s persona that is trying to burst out from that brash and what some might call pretentious exterior. I think it is heart-warming that he has taken time out of his faultless career to work for a small independent radio station in the south west of Ireland, the local people must be overjoyed to have such a high class production.

He is obviously a very busy man and it is with this in mind that I have to give him the utmost respect and admiration for his professional touch, even the simplest things as career guidance, a nod in the right direction, those kind caring words to some of the more “rookie” members of this board/cesspit who will no doubt climb the ladder at their own pace with helpful information they have received (again we not worthy after all who else in the business could come across as being talented and all round genuine nice guy). Maybe some of these small fry might even surpass the dizzy heights of stardom that Mr Wolf has scaled, shudder the thought. Charles, you are an example to us all.

Oh to excel, to be a “name” right up there with those legendary Irish Broadcasters Terry Wogan, Eamon Andrews (RIP), Gay Byrne, Graham Norton and of course, Mr Charles T Wolfe, esquire.

Quoting from a Ben Torres book (surely not a direct quote from Mr Storz ! as he been dead some time after all )on Top 40 Radio was an education for us all.

I eagerly await further nuggets of wisdom.

________________________________________ _________
“Its nice to be important, but far more important to be nice”

[John Fleming]

Charlie Wolf, for reasons known only to him, seems to reply 'around' my posts (and Cassie's) rather than directly to them. He also hasn't answered my private correspondence on this issue. He prefers to do it on air, where we have no comeback and he can misrepresent us.

I am starting to become convinced that he wants to do just one thing here. More later.

As regards his mentioning that the UN and events in Iraq are more important than this simple little radio board, well DUH! Go away Charlie!
You may have an opinion of the Irish person as being a bit 'tick' but we're not all like that. Oh, Top o' the mornin' to ya BTW.

Yes UN events are important to me, and definitely events in Iraq, not to mention hundreds of other things from tonight's football match to what happens daily in slaughterhouses; and i have no doubt i will cry my eyes out next Wednesday....but, what happens to this site affects me on a personal level on a daily basis. I've put a lot of time and effort into it over the years, and hundreds of people have gained immense pleasure from it, so the appearance of you with a destructive attitude towards it hurts me because i couldn't see your reasons for it.
But after the events of last Thursday, i am now of the opinion that you want to get people so wound up that they'll come here to join and post anti-semitic and anti-American diatribes...and then what? Well that's the $64,000 question, but i think you know what i'm referring to.

This is not for the faint-hearted...some of the material is obscene, but i wish to draw everyone's attention to it because the post that CW got so worked up about last week is incredibly mild compared to some of this stuff...which is left online in all its glory
www.charliewolf.net/mail.htm

Charlie: if you really need to continue your attacks on this site to come up with material for your show, fair enough, but i now wish to point out to you that:
The rules of this site state quite clearly that you should reply to members without resorting to antagonising others, or using gutter-level language and abuse. You seem to have a problem doing that, and we have been tolerant of it because i truly respect you for not hiding behind a username and putting yourself up for the comeback. But it is affecting the forums now to such an extent that we have no option but to remove any posts where you do not follow these guidelines.

I would normally post this privately, but i have little doubt that you would be on air claiming that we were doing it deliberately to stop you from taking part, following mention of the IP ban on Sunday.

However, many of your earlier contributions were excellent and respected - and i, and many others, would dearly love you to go back to that style.

And, for all the crap towards this site of the past week or so, you still do incredibly great radio - i'd love to be able to listen for entertainment purposes once more.

[halfmast]

About time some one brought some life to radio in Cork,

well done charlie.... ;)

[KJ]

I should tell you this too, look up the word "Bitch" in the dictionary. The definition is "Cassandra O'Meara".


lol

excellent

KJ

;)

[Eichman-JR]

I hear charlie wolfs radio show is fishing for an award and are looking for clips in their archive to send off to the judges. Maybe he should send off a copy of last thursdays disgraceful outburst to represent succintly the type of tabloid radio he does.

To listen to last thursdays show click this link http://audio.charliewolf.net/shows/200208/20020829_2.ram (dont worry you dont need a fast internet connection to listen to it, you can hear it in real time with out having to download the entire clip, but you probably will need to get your self a copy of real player if you dont allready have it)

[John Fleming]

One thing i'd like to clear up after being misrepresented on air by Charlie Wolf. Twice in the past few days, on air, he has accused me of banning him from viewing this site because i was "mad".

I was mad, but not at him - the IP address i banned on each night has been in use by another username who had posted obscenities, not only in general but against other well-known radio personalities.

When i heard Charlie Wolf mentioning 'his' ban on air, surprised, i ran a search, and up came a number of users with the same IP address.

The IP i had banned is a static one in use by Red FM. Again, if he'd contacted me privately i would have made him aware not only that he was not banned, but that it appears that some of his colleagues are also going a little OTT. And it would have prevented even more ugliness going public.

[Charles T Wolf]

Snip:

This is not for the faint-hearted...some of the material is obscene, but i wish to draw everyone's attention to it because the post that CW got so worked up about last week is incredibly mild compared to some of this stuff...which is left online in all its glory
www.charliewolf.net/mail.htm


A point of fact: The site is a tribute site not run by me, though they do have my permission and consent on the things they do.

The hate mail section is there to demonstrate the hatred in the world and the lack of people to properly argue a point.

There is a disclaimer/warning page one has to go through to read this. I find that mail just as distasteful as the posting that was on this site - and I will re-iterate my thanks for your removing it.

[Slicklink]

Oh its tough at the top Charlie without having to keep an eye to the fanzines, tribute websites, tee-shirt sales etc ........ if I hadnt pissed myself laughing I would have cried....... there no going back for you when you start to believe your own hype